seeliefaekin:

Talking to my partner (a beautiful dragonkin babe), we were discussing about different kin-types, and how you can sorta ‘combine’ two kins together to fit your own personal kin-type. 

Like, I’m Faekin. I know I’m Faekin. I’m also Elfkin though, because I feel as though I was one of the Elvish race. Because I think Elves are inherently Fae as well, I’m going to say my kin-type is ElvishFaekin(ElfFaekin/ElvenFaekin/Etc)

If anyone knows any ElvishFaekin people, I’d love to get to know them (“)/!

<3

I disagree that elves are inherently fae (I know too many non-fae elves - although that said, the Silver Elves did sometimes use the term “Elfae” to mean the two kinds considered together), but ofthemultimetaverse also considers himself a kind of hybrid and uses the blended term “Faelf.”

bytefuck:

lets bring the type otherkind into existence. its a kin experience that requires a special environment to be felt strongly. for instance im sylphkind bc i only feel like a sylph when im in or around water


"Otherkind" actually already exists - in fact, the word slightly predates "otherkin". It was coined in 1990 off "elfinkind", as in Elfinkind Digest, which was the first internet forum (email list) for otherkin. The owner started out looking for elves like herself, not guessing that a host of other kinds would turn up. Rather than keep listing them all specifically, one of the listmembers used the shorthand "otherkind" as a catch-all to mean "all the other -kinds that aren’t elves", and it stuck. So basically "otherkin" and "otherkind" mean the same thing, although today "otherkind" is very much less common.

One other thing - why would water be a triggering thing for sylph feels (if you will), since sylphs are air spirits? Why not, idk, a windy day or something? Just a personal quirk?

Asker

seerethedemonqueen asked:

Please, can you explain to me what this otherkin stuff is?

spiritus-sonne:

liminalbeast:

thepaganstudygrouppage:

Resources and sites on otherkin and related subjects:

Ghost

Therian Wikia is generally vague or misinformed site about therianthropy. Don’t go there. Check out Project Shift instead:

http://project-shift.org/

Also, looking at that otherkin.net FAQ page, I recall how outdated or even just poor some if not a lot of info is on there. Granted, things on the site may not have been updated since 2011, but at the least basic info about otherkin should have been updated and of better quality by (and really, years before) then. The definitions on Project Shift were written in ‘08 or ‘09 and they aren’t horribly outdated or rather inaccurate. I know I’ve always tended more toward the therian community and ‘animalistic’ kinds of otherkin, but I never much liked reading stuff on otherkin.net, and I remember now why. And it looks like some info on the Kinhost FAQ page is copy-pasta (of outdated or poor quality info) from Otherkin.net =/.

I think it’s more likely the other way around, that OKN got permission from the Crisses to use some of her content, and it was never updated after that (this would be at least a decade ago).

talakestreal:

languiddraconis:

thedragoninsideme:

dannysdramarama:

thot420:

all otherkin are like 16 max

Hi I’m 18.

im 19 biotch *insert cool sunglasses emoji*

22!

30! *shakes her cane at the youngsters*

I’m 36, husband is 34; some others I follow on tumblr are 40+, and there are still others out there 50+ (that I know for certain) or even 60+ (people whose ages I don’t know for certain, but suspect).

talakestreal:

New generation otherkin.

Old generation otherkin.

How very fascinating to see actual generations at this point.

I feel old.

People were already speaking of generations over a decade ago… or “new guard” and “old guard” if you like. ‘Course, we have had some cases of literal generations, too, that is, otherkin having children, although I do not have data on how many of those have also turned out to be otherkin.

The Measure of All Things by anndr

This is an OC and I’m not sure whether he’s (?) even meant to be other than human, but dang, this artist can just nail my impression/memory of the look of the Sidhe sometimes. (Well, one of the looks. Insert mumbling about more-physical-humanoid vs. less-physical-more-vague-and-glowy-see-userpic forms. But yeah.)

lunar-lavender:

Fair warning followers, I have zero tolerance for people who believe they’re physically/genetically otherkin, […]

*looks to the left*

*looks to the right*

*stands up* *sits down* *doesn’t wanna fight*…

*speaks in a tiny voice*

the idea of having faery/elven/sidhe/Tuatha blood in one’s ancestry is part of my personal myth. I don’t mean “I’m 100% a different species” (or even subspecies), but maybe I (and/or by extension, otherkin) have some genetic weirdness that either facilitated this incarnation (insert spirit woo woo here) or caused things.

I also don’t mean “Hee hee, I have no need for birth control because I’ve been demonstrated to be mutually infertile with Homo sapiens”, but… Something Different Perhaps is in the concept somewhere. Not so much ideas about Neanderthals, aliens, or whatever, as… I dunno… Something Rich and Strange?

pixiesnakes:

Mermaid retreat for people that identify with/as mer-folk at Harbin Hot Springs.

Not entirely (just mentioned, and I suppose there are plenty of people who do it just for fun), but it’s funny how the “mermaiding” community arose so separately from what we think of as otherkin. Most of them, even those who do think of themselves as real mermaids in some way, have probably never heard of us.

ETA: Sorry, missed your “with” there. Sort of the mermaid equivalent of spiritual furries, I guess, heh. Anyway, though, the main point was the remark about the lack of connection between the groups.

Asker

sulmere asked:

Do you think that the statistically high rates of transgender folks in the otherkin community has any kind of significance? It’s a topic that tends to get a lot of nasty glares in trans communities, but which I do think deserves some attention.

theotterspeaks:

frameacloud:

rialianashtae:

silveth:

frameacloud:

Draque,

That’s a very interesting question.

I think it’s significant that the otherkin community has always included many otherkin who are also transgender. I’m drawing a blank on where to look for the demographics that demonstrate this to be the case. Probably some of the survey results from the last few years.

The earliest known otherkin groups included a lot of people who were transgender. For example, when the otherkin group Elf Queen’s Daughters made a music album in 1978, they described themselves as a “trans rock elven band.” They called it that because some of them were transsexual, some were androgynous, and some called themselves “elves” rather than men (source). During the 1980s and 1990s, there were quite a few people who called themselves “elves” rather than men or women. They used that archetype as their gender, when finding that neither of the other categories fit them.

Akhila wrote several articles about being both transgender and a therianthrope. One of these is Gender VS Animality (2007).

The Trans Kinfolk blog hasn’t updated in a couple of years, but it has a bunch of articles and conversations looking at various aspects of this issue.

I have some guesses about why a lot of otherkin are also transgender. However, trying to explain why this is the case involves looking at origin theories for both (which is futile because there’s no one agreed-upon origin theory for either), and also looking at areas of commonality between the two (which tends to come off as bad tact). Overall, it’s a touchy topic, but I think it’s worth looking into. On the other hand, I have no idea what could be gained by trying to figure it out, since it’s not as though there’s any one explanation for why it happens.

"A lot of" is probably a decent way of characterizing it; I do think the incidence is higher than in the general population. Sometimes I see people stating that "the majority of" otherkin are trans, though, which I think is not true (especially if they mean a large majority).

===I think it is safer to say that those of a ‘kin bent tend to be a fair bit more gender fluid in expression…and trans is part of that continuum.

Hmm. I am wondering about the actual statistics of this now. Most, many, or just a lot? The surveys I could think of that really ask about gender identity weren’t focused on otherkin. They were instead directed at therians, vampires, or even furries (where the survey looked into furries who are also therians). Maybe this is something that surveyers should try to answer.

There are a lot of odd correlations - populations with elevated percentages of openly trans people. Autism is one. There is a remarkable percentage of autistic people who are trans. Otherkin/therian communities are another. And I think big parts of it are that you’re already not normal, and you’re part of a community that’s used to dealing with the socially unacceptable. So it creates a circle where you are used to saying things that are normally taboo, and where you are (more) encouraged to be true to yourself, even if it’s not “normal”. Thus, these groups are given space to analyse their gendered feelings, try on different roles and behaviours, and if they come to a decision that they aren’t the gender they were assigned, can expect to have it respected by at least some of the community.

So, without speculating as to causes of either trans people or otherkin, it’s plausible that the community and its standards is creating spaces for people to be openly trans, who might otherwise spend much of their life closeted or unaware of the possibilities of gender. Otherkin communities provide a space where self-reflection and self-analysis are culturally significant practices, where social outcasts and outsiders are more accepted, where being more than your biology is a core tenet, and where there is a history of prominent trans people - all factors that help a confused young trans person identify and live as their gender.

rialianashtae:

===If folk are wondering…

===Yes, Crossing The Thresholds (CTT) is still going on. It is next week, September 19-21. (Thursday through Sunday). Due to a number of factors I have been dealing with, this will be another low-key minimally planned event.

===Dates for next years events will be posted up after CTT. (I sit down with the site and plot things out after CTT is done)

And someday… apa yéni únótimë…the websites for WtT and CtT may get updated! :D

Asker

sulmere asked:

Do you think that the statistically high rates of transgender folks in the otherkin community has any kind of significance? It’s a topic that tends to get a lot of nasty glares in trans communities, but which I do think deserves some attention.

frameacloud:

Draque,

That’s a very interesting question.

I think it’s significant that the otherkin community has always included many otherkin who are also transgender. I’m drawing a blank on where to look for the demographics that demonstrate this to be the case. Probably some of the survey results from the last few years.

The earliest known otherkin groups included a lot of people who were transgender. For example, when the otherkin group Elf Queen’s Daughters made a music album in 1978, they described themselves as a “trans rock elven band.” They called it that because some of them were transsexual, some were androgynous, and some called themselves “elves” rather than men (source). During the 1980s and 1990s, there were quite a few people who called themselves “elves” rather than men or women. They used that archetype as their gender, when finding that neither of the other categories fit them.

Akhila wrote several articles about being both transgender and a therianthrope. One of these is Gender VS Animality (2007).

The Trans Kinfolk blog hasn’t updated in a couple of years, but it has a bunch of articles and conversations looking at various aspects of this issue.

I have some guesses about why a lot of otherkin are also transgender. However, trying to explain why this is the case involves looking at origin theories for both (which is futile because there’s no one agreed-upon origin theory for either), and also looking at areas of commonality between the two (which tends to come off as bad tact). Overall, it’s a touchy topic, but I think it’s worth looking into. On the other hand, I have no idea what could be gained by trying to figure it out, since it’s not as though there’s any one explanation for why it happens.

"A lot of" is probably a decent way of characterizing it; I do think the incidence is higher than in the general population. Sometimes I see people stating that "the majority of" otherkin are trans, though, which I think is not true (especially if they mean a large majority).

kalebron:

void-kitten:

genderabbit:

"REAL otherkin dont use nounself pronouns" bye

I really don’t see the problem with nounself pronouns

Seriously, could someone calmly care to explain and discus it?

They’re grammatically unsound and don’t really have a functional purpose. Alternative pronouns are necessary where neither the male nor female pronouns can be used. This usage is more official including the use of the “hir” or “xir” set of pronouns for trans or non-binary individuals (something I’ve actually seen in publications when necessary). Nounself pronouns are strictly a “tumblrkin” thing. Otherkin (and therians alike) outside of tumblr have never even suggested the use of alternate pronouns for their kin selves, let alone use them (and if they are, I can almost gaurantee that they got the idea from tumblr; the idea that the nounself thing was started by a troll is quite believable to me).

Nounself pronouns function much like a nickname as there are so many and people can invent them all the time. We invent names, not basic parts of grammer. Sure, language evolves, but only as functionally necessary and in a widespread manner. As many have said, the state of being otherkin is not a gender, so don’t (grammatically) treat it like it is by replacing gender-based pronouns with kin-based nouns…that makes them sound like awkward nicknames.

Seeing these all over the profiles of the otherkin and therians look silly and immature to me, and probably look that way to many other otherkin who were in the otherkin or therian community for a while before finding “tumblrkin” which look like a whole different “breed” to me. The nounself thing is only the icing to the cake that is the oddity of the tumblr variety of kin, imo.

(Source: transtrendling)

Ever wonder why the Toxic One is always up in arms about Dandelion eating, sitting on toad-stool, Forest Frolicking elves? Read on and learn. Basically, that Tolkien, D&D, and popular folklore image reinforces many negative points. Firstly, it promotes the idea that elves can only live happily in non-urban environments. Bullcrap. All women will agree with me that indoor plumbing is the mark of a truly civilized society. Secondly, there is the problem of this being the “human’s world”. Yeah, right. We share this world with them and quite frankly it is the choosing to let human outlooks and judgment bother you that is the problem. This is home. Honestly there is little else I can see to happiness besides good friends, good drink, shelter, and good woman in your bed. Lastly, it encourages too much of a group mentality. I don’t believe that elven hive mentality is healthy. All these things can be achieved here if you look and try and don’t give up. In general, the classical elven/fae paradigm promotes a lot of unhealthy ideas that can depress ya pretty bad.

Hey, There’s Mud in My Boxers by Kyrin.

[some typos and grammatical errors corrected]

(via mikhto)

I disagree with Tolkien’s elves being included in this.  If you read any of Tolkien’s works, especially the Silmarillion, you will see that they are not simple, forest-dwelling, ‘frolicking’ elves.  They are complex, highly intelligent, and vastly civilized creatures who live in advanced societies of many different kinds.  They aren’t by any stretch of the imagination a ‘hive-mind’ and I’m not even sure what would give anyone that impression. They are all individuals with emotions and hardships (a LOT of hardships) and to pass them off as a hive-mind is actually incredibly disrespectful to Tolkien.  Lastly, let’s be real.  If we’re going by what Tolkien wrote, this was once the Elves’ world, and now it’s the humans’ world, and we fucked it up pretty thoroughly.

(via melkorsgirl)

Yeah… I had some issues with that as well. I <i>think</i> this is speaking of the romanticization of nature and “better than humans” mentality that can sometimes crop up in otherkin circles… (I believe this is from an otherkin website) and  a “living in “the past” instead of focusing on the now” focus - which can create a bit of a hivemind if you’re not careful. I’m reading it as a warning against putting on an identity and escapism, which is mostly why I reblogged it… to be honest, I wasn’t going to reblog it when I first saw it yesterday, I didn’t like the Tolkien aspect that melkorsgirl spoke of, or the “a good woman in your bed” part…

(via childofstarlight)

Yeah, I posted it knowing that most depictions of elves are usually more complex, but I don’t think a lot of people tend to consider that and end up thinking simplistically and not really thinking about what elves mean to them (which is really more important then worrying if you’re fitting into a mould…). I didn’t like the whole ‘woman in your bed’ part either, but it’s posted knowingly that it’s really from the perspective of the writer, and under the probably uneducated generalisations and sexual overtones, there’s something I felt was worth posting. :)

That’s… yeah… reeeally the perspective of the writer, who is a unique character. I would not refer to them as “uneducated generalizations” — it’s not that he lacked exposure or was a noob (except inasmuch as when the online community was itself newer, we were all less experienced in it), but he is quite outspoken about his ungentle views. He’s not a bad dude all in all, but also not called “The Toxic Elf” for nothing. I saw a post somewhere recently about Avari elves and how Tolkien was focused on the Eldar; one could think of this as something like a similar type of “view from the other side” (although I highly doubt Kyrin would refer to himself as “Avari”!).

(via mikhto)

lunar-lavender:

While boarding Muni some random dude asked me what my “fae are among you” button meant.

"Uhhhhh…ssssstuff?" was my super coherent response.

"Oh, okay, no problem," he said, clearly sensing I didn’t want to clarify, "it’s just that I saw someone at Safeway with the same button and I was wondering…

That really makes me wonder who else it was he saw. Another local from PCon, perhaps? (It’s possible; I have had more than one of some designs, or repeated them year to year.)