From talking, a lot of people actually came from /r/TrueOtherkin, which surprised me, and other people came from mailing lists, also a surprise, as I assume them to be generally dead at least in part or in full.
Hello! I saw your Otherkin blog and I wondered if you accept submissions? I wrote an article about a Bay Area otherkin student who was murdered that I thought would be appropriate for the news blog. It's in my otherkin tag.
Thank you for offering. Otherkin News accepts news article submissions from any volunteer. Your article topic is of interest. You can submit your article to Otherkin News by posting to its LiveJournal blog yourself. Another option you may prefer would be e-mailing it to me, so I can post it on your behalf.
O.o I wonder if they mean Starblade, or who. I wouldn’t call Monterey the “Bay Area”, unless they mean Monterey Bay, though I don’t think that’s typically called “the Bay Area” due to confusion with the other one so close by (San Francisco Bay), but maybe the actual locals speak differently (I’m about 1.5 hours away). I was chastised by someone once for assuming the San Francisco Bay area when it seemed they actually meant San Diego Bay, though, so it’s possible they are talking about someone else entirely. (I hope not!)
ETA: They mean Starblade. Does that qualify as news, though? (Maybe “On this day in Otherkin history”…)
Hey, while supernumerary phantom limbs are a thing, they're temporary, pretty consistently reported as feeling uncomfortable and alien, and occur almost exclusively in stroke patients. Like phantom limbs, supernumerary phantom limbs are thought to be a phenomenon of the nervous system. Shadow limbs don't tend to behave like phantom limbs and probably shouldn't be referred to as such.
Ah, thank you for this information! I did think that using the term ‘phantom limbs’ wasn’t correct for the feeling, ‘shadow limbs’ is definitely the better way to describe it, it ensures that there’s no appropriation and we don’t insult people who could suffer from any form of phantom limb syndrome.
Supernumerary phantom limbs are not always a temporary thing in therians, some therians experience constantly; for that reason, confusion should be avoided between SPL and phantom shifting.
Also for some therians, those limbs are an uncomfortable or painful experience.
"Shadow limb" is just as bad as "astral limb", it doesn’t work well for nonspiritual therians. "Metalimb" may be more neutral, but since loosely using SPL is not actual appropriation, it’s pretty pointless.
I think the nonny meant “In the literature, these are some characteristics of supernumary phantom limbs”. Since they are, as you note, not typically (or not always) shared by therians (or otherkin) who experience this thing, maybe SPL isn’t a great term for what we’re feeling either. I agree, though, that I tend to “bleh” on all the alternatives like “shadow limb” or “metalimb”. I am a bad person who should feel bad and usually describe my wings as “phantom wings”, but I also say “etheric”.
This almost cries out for some neologism built out of Greek or Latin pieces, like “therianthrope” (though not “otherkin”, heh) itself. Like… “extradermal” or something (because they are usually experienced as being outside or beyond the physical skin?).
You've got other kin and fictionkin all wrong. It's not an identity, we don't take it seriously. It's just a way of saying that we see ourselves in this character or thing, that we feel a strong emotional connection. Sure, there's some weirdos that start dressing up as animals and acting like whatever their kin is, but the majority of otherkin aren't like that.
Then how come whenever I got to each individual tag, there’s at least something including fashion, blogs dedicated to an otherkin, or whatever. Why, whenever I do see these otherkin folks, they are either in their teens or early-twenties? Because it’s a phase and most of the time you don’t even realize it’s a goddamn phase.
I’m 28, 29 in January, do try again.
Otherkin of all varieties (yes, this includes many fiction-kin) is about identity. It isn’t about some sort of connection. It isn’t about being a furry (though there are certainly otherkin who are also furries and vice versa). It is about one’s core identity not matching one’s physical reality. Is it a phase for some? Sure. Are there trolls who want you to to think that it’s about fashion, etc? You bet. How about you try learning from legitimate sources what otherkin is and is not before passing judgment and deciding that we’re all role playing teens?
"We don’t take it seriously"… *facepalm*
Otherkin is about identity. Some people go through a phase (just like “bisexual phases” among teenagers do not make real bisexuals less real). Some make shit up for attention.
Personally, I like subtle ways of expressing one’s therian/otherkin identity. Whether that be tattoos, clothing, poetry etc.
But most of the more serious otherkin/therians here usually don’t bother to use all the tags. So, that’s why if you go to very specific tags, you will only find the attention-grasping teens. The tumblr otherkin community in general is younger and quite different from the community otherwise. The therian community began in the early/mid 90s (although known as the “were community” back then), so obviously those who have been around since then are not teens any more.
I’m 25, with my master’s degree in biology, working as a teacher, I look pretty normal… and I’m a therian. Being a wolf (somehow) is part of my personal identity. It’s not just about an emotional connection. I have emotional connections to people and pets all the time, doesn’t mean I’m boyfriend-friend-mother-dog-cat-rat-kin.
*also facepalms at “we don’t take it seriously”*
36 here. No dice on that one, pal.
A therianthrope (therian) experiences therianthropy.
An otherkin experiences… otherkinship? otherkinism? otherkinity? otherkin-ness?
I sent a reply to this, but I wanted to comment a little further -
Otherkinism sounds like a religion, which it ain’t.
Otherkinity just sounds really weird to me. I don’t even know what “real” word this was formed in parallel from. (unlike “—ism”, which at least understand where it came from.)
Otherkinship sounds… I dunno… bland? Weird, anyway. Not like what I am/have/am experiencing.
I picked Otherkin-ness as best-fit for that kind of abstract noun place in a sentence, if I’m not allowed to say “experiences … being otherkin”, but really, I don’t think we have a good one.
(Do we need one? I don’t know.)
Since doing a load of advertising on various places in the otherkin communities earlier this week, my online chat for mythic otherkin, EDMC, has been doing surprisingly well.
The chat currently maxes out at 12 unique users at any time, and is getting high amounts of activity every day (which, if you know what otherkin IRCs are like, is very uncommon, most of them are rooms full of people who don’t talk to each other).
Join usssss…. joooinnnn ussss…..
While there is little activity on the lists themselves, you have managed to make connections with people who are on them, who may have other offlist connections (such as over LJ/DW, private email, Twitter…) with other list denizens or similar people.
This dragon tail commission was pretty straightforward compared to others I’ve done recently. It’s made of anodized aluminum, primarily green, with an underbelly of brown and a single line of brown down the spine. As always, the scales are linked together with stainless steel rings in a chainmail pattern. This one is 30 inches long, slightly smaller than my default length. Good for someone who’s a bit shorter than I.
I had a lot of fun getting photos of it swinging around.
Daylight Savings Time meant that it was dark by the time I was able to get photos taken, but oh well. I’ll be shipping this out to the commissioner tomorrow.
My husband and I were discussing various things on the way home from a repair job.
He had the beautiful idea of building a helicopter drone with a video camera attached. On the ground, I would have an Oculus Rift that could see everything the drone sees. I could lie down on a soft surface, or even suspended somehow, and have a fan blowing in my face. It would probably be the closest I could ever get to flying safely.
I’ve heard of wingsuits and all, but it looks extremely dangerous, and without the reliability of my wings, I’m not convinced it would be worth it. Despite being in the wrong body, I really do love my life, and besides the danger, the expense is quite tremendous. You need suits and training, not to mention the trips up to the sky to jump down, and it’s not exactly an activity you could participate in every day.
I do love rollercoasters, too. I have a very specific fear of heights that triggers when I am high up and unsecure. Secured into a rollercoaster cart, I feel quite safe and happy, but waiting on the platform, I feel exposed, weak. But rarely do I feel such peace as I do riding one. My anxiety just melts off of me, and instead of excitement, I feel calm, and serene.
But to get to the point of our actual conversation, I suddenly had an image of those giant round rooms with the huge fan at the bottom that you can pay to fly inside. They’re called vertical wind tunnels, and are essentially skydiving without needing to defy death. I’ve never gotten the chance to fly in one, and I have a tremendous fear of large fans (dumb, I know), which stifles my interest slightly. How wonderful would it be to wear an oculus rift inside one, while controlling a drone with your mind? Wealth is wasted on the wealthy, friends, for if I was a billionaire, I would create a sanctuary for otherkin and therians full of therapeutic rooms like the flying chamber. Free for all.
I can imagine the rooms for all manner of aviankin - beautiful jungles accessible to human limbs, soft perches, and vast pools and waterfalls. For wolves, thick forests with soft, dark grasses, free of biting and crawling insects. Carnivores could smell meat and blood in the air, they could run naked across plains in pursuit of elusive prey, be rewarded with clean carcasses and fresh meat, wild and unjudged. Gryphons and dragons could finally sit upon great hoards of gold and gems, and hunt for hidden treasures all across the sanctuary. There would be a home for everyone. All people and creatures. A place to live the life they must spend their days yearning and thirsting for.
A place we will never truly have as humans, but at least we could feel the winds in our wings again, our paws on the earth, our fins in the ocean.
Summary: Here are some examples of the diversity of beliefs in the otherkin community. These should clear up the misconceptions shown in common inaccurate generalizations about otherkin.
There are many kinds of otherkin, with many kinds of beliefs about themselves. (In this article, I’m using “otherkin” to mean both otherkin and therianthropes, because we don’t have another word that means both.) I’ve been active in the otherkin community for more than ten years, so I speak from experience about this. Each of the examples I give here are from more than one otherkin who I have known.
- There are otherkin who don’t like being called non-human, because they know their bodies are human, and they think of themselves as human in many important ways. There are also otherkin who don’t like being called human, and call themselves non-human. There are even otherkin who think their bodies aren’t altogether human.
- There are those who say they’re otherkin because they have the soul of another kind of creature. There are also otherkin who think that their soul couldn’t be that different from any other person’s. There are even otherkin who don’t believe in personal souls at all.
- There are those who think of their otherkin identity as their gender. (For example, “My gender is elf.”) There are also otherkin who don’t feel like being otherkin has anything to do with their gender.
- There are otherkin who are adamant that being otherkin isn’t a mental illness, and that they aren’t mentally ill in any way. There are also otherkin who say they have mental illnesses, themselves. There are even otherkin who think that being otherkin is a mental illness, or at least a mental difference.
You can disagree with any or all of the above views that otherkin have held. You even have the right to feel angry, offended, or concerned about them. What’s important is that you need to acknowledge that there are otherkin who have such different views than one another. This diversity does exist in the otherkin community.
Please take the above into consideration before you make generalizations about otherkin. It’s not accurate to say “all otherkin know they have human bodies,” because quite a few of them don’t. It’s not right to say “otherkin are defined as people with non-human souls,” because many otherkin don’t believe that. It’s not true to say “no otherkin have mental illnesses,” because plenty do.
I’m tired of seeing one person after another write inaccurate generalizations about otherkin. Those writers don’t know any better. They haven’t had enough experience with parts of the community that believe different things than they do. I hope this clears up some misconceptions.
So everyone has different opinions and beliefs on why they are Therian/Otherkin and what the reasoning could be…
Well is it wrong that I don’t?
Because sometimes I think I know, I think my souls is a wolf, or that there is a part of me that is wolf… But then I realise that I really don’t know at all why I feel this way.
I believe that I have to learn a lesson, something that my soul needs to know for its next life, and that I need to be challenged as a human.. But that doesn’t explain why there is a wolf inside me?
But realistically, does it matter whether I know exactly what is going on? Probably not.
I mean, this does limit my explanation skills, but I don’t think it’s too important. I’ll know when the time is right.
I feel kind of the same. I’ve given up on trying to explain my therianthropy. I feel like some part of me is a wolf. Perhaps born in the wrong species? But I’m not sure if I believe in souls, reincarnation or such… and when it comes to psychological or neurological explanations, I feel there isn’t enough research for me to really decide either.
I’m a bisexual, geeky, right-handed woman with a fear of wasps. And I’m a wolf therian. Why would I have to know the explanation behind the latter trait, but not the others?
Applicable to otherkin too, I think…
one of my friends was curious so i made this
Serpentopia, I hope “1900” is either a misspellling of “1990,” or you have some evidence that I would very much like to see for when I write the next edition of my book that I wrote about the history of the otherkin community, the Otherkin Timeline. (The book is available to read online in its entirety for free, in order to educate and keep the community in touch with what is concretely known about its origins.) If you do have some leads or documentation about the otherkin community earlier than 1970, would you please share it with me, Serpentopia?
It’s possible it should be read as 1960s, as someone else mentioned, but if 1900s is truly intended, since it is an indented bullet point contrasting the age of “otherkin” with the age of Tumblr (2007?), I think they may have meant not the 1900s as a decade (which would be interesting indeed), but simply as opposed to the idea that otherkin are only a 21st century thing. In other words that we have been around since some years that started with “19” and not only with “20.”
Talking to my partner (a beautiful dragonkin babe), we were discussing about different kin-types, and how you can sorta ‘combine’ two kins together to fit your own personal kin-type.
Like, I’m Faekin. I know I’m Faekin. I’m also Elfkin though, because I feel as though I was one of the Elvish race. Because I think Elves are inherently Fae as well, I’m going to say my kin-type is ElvishFaekin(ElfFaekin/ElvenFaekin/Etc)
If anyone knows any ElvishFaekin people, I’d love to get to know them (“)/!
I disagree that elves are inherently fae (I know too many non-fae elves - although that said, the Silver Elves did sometimes use the term “Elfae” to mean the two kinds considered together), but ofthemultimetaverse also considers himself a kind of hybrid and uses the blended term “Faelf.”