So, what does one DO on tumblr when one has a troll? Do you feed the troll, or ignore it?
The ignore button is handy for situations like that. :)
Really? I didn’t know Tumblr had an ignore button. Oooh, time to go find it! lol
I don’t think you can ignore someone directly from their page; almost everyone I’ve ignored has been by clicking the “X” on their posts in tracked tags.
One of these days I want to make a post about how sadly large my ignore list has grown almost solely from ignoring trolls and people who thought it was a good use of their time to waltz into #otherkin and post about how stupid and crazy we all are. I’m up to 2266, if I can do math. A small handful are people I specifically ignored because I dislike them for one reason or another, and an unknown number but I would guess less than 150 are from blocking blogs I’m merely uninterested in seeing in my tracked tags, like porn and ads for roleplaying. So that leaves somewhere in the neighborhood of 2000 people (two. thousand. people.) over about two and a half years who I’ve blocked because of them being some flavor of jerk in the #otherkin tag. Geez.
Hello people of the Otherkin community. I wanted to ask a few questions.
1. Are there any otherkin people who identify as “Gnome” otherkin?
If there are, I’d greatly appreciate you leaving me an ask. I’d love to reach out to these people.
2. Do any of you who identify as a Wiccan/Pagan?
1. In ~15 years I can’t recall meeting anyone calling xirself a gnome. A couple of dwarfs, a goblin or two, some related things like pixies, and I think a hobbit, but not any gnomes, at least that I remember. Good luck in that search; I think they may be a more rare ‘kintype. (I wonder who was the “Golden Gnome” that used to be signed on the Silver Elves’ print Magical Love Letters - at least, one I had was signed “Silver Elves and Golden Gnome”.)
2. I’m Pagan. Used to be Wiccan along about 15 years ago, but not today. I’m not part of any specific path or tradition at present, although I mumble sometimes about wanting to take up with modern Druidry. Pagans or at least magical/mystical spiritual practitioners of some stripe are fairly commonplace among otherkin (though not universal by any stretch).
I think such things are present in old fairy lore in one form or another. For example Selkies and fairywives who gave birth to children from mortal men.
True; but I was referring to a process hypothetically possible in our modern times, involving ostensibly “normal” humans, where the nonhuman component is carried in another way without having to scratch one’s head over the biology involved. (Though I have certainly toyed with the idea for my own personal mythology. Fun fact, at one point in the past I was using “faeryblooded” as an AIM handle.)
ETA: Sorry, I’m referring specifically to "Yes, I’ve heard of the idea of conceiving an otherworldly or magical child by the method of the spirit/faery/angel/what-have-you “inhabiting” and using a human who acts (voluntarily) as the vehicle for the transfer of this “spiritual/energetic stuff”." You might have been referring more to the snippet I quoted from my website, where yes, legends about selkies and faery wives and such would be pertinent.
I have come across, in my late night internet sojourns, the idea of spiritual/energetic “stuff” also being passed along to “bundles of joy.”
I find it interesting because, well, it would explain some things for me at least. Reincarnation has never felt right for me. I have some vision like things under my belt that I suppose could be memories but it just feels off. If there were once some other beings here that perhaps departed to another realm, as the yarn goes, who left their energetic mark via progeny…well, that would sort of explain me and my feelings.
Yes, I’ve heard of the idea of conceiving an otherworldly or magical child by the method of the spirit/faery/angel/what-have-you “inhabiting” and using a human who acts (voluntarily) as the vehicle for the transfer of this “spiritual/energetic stuff”.
…huh, apparently I am the only hit on Google for the phrase “waking the Old Blood”, though I could swear I picked that up from somewhere and did not coin it myself. Unfortunately I don’t have any actual content to the effect, just an entry in my list of many fae/fae-kin topics I would like to write about Someday:
Faery admixture in human bloodlines. Waking the Old Blood. Faery body because a faery is in it. Changelings. Relation to lack of memories - not remembering a “past life” in the way many others are (especially offworlders), but because this is an emergence perhaps of a new phenomenon - faery “essence” being born into a human (or not-entirely-human) body for… what reasons?
Hey guys, I know this blog hasn’t had many updates but I wanted to tell you about a project DragonMnae and I are working on.
Kanarani is a Project to create a village for like minded individuals, in this case, Pagans, Witches, and Otherkin. It is still in the planning stages. We are currently working to bring more followers to the project’s blog and also establish a list of possible and potential future residents.
Here is the blog!
Let us know if you are interested via the ask box!
Like, intentional community? Um. Hrrrm. The dream always sounds nice, but in practice… often problematic.
Your link is broken, btw - you have an extra space at the end of the URL. (I fixed it in this reblog.)
I am not sure if it is one trait, a confluence of traits…who knows? I know of a few folks that are actually exploring avenues to research this. I personally do not have the resources to do it…and honestly, it is not all that important to me to PROVE it.
Can you pony up any specifics there? Like what kind of testing are they doing or having done, exactly?
I do think it’s quite possible there’s some genetic component, some “confluence of traits” as you put it that permits the manifestation of the “otherkin phenomenon”, as it were (whether that be ingress of a nonhuman soul, expression of some kind of essential energy flavor, or what have you). But searching blind for one knows not what genetic marker sounds terribly hard. What would the criteria be? How would you know when you might be on to something? Just comparing every single bit in the sequence to a mass database of all humanity and seeing if anything sticks out? Not to mention you’d need a lot of samples from self-identified otherkin to see if there were any discernable patterns. If you did find something, I think it would be misleading to call it “nonhuman”; obviously there has been no crossbreeding with other than Homo sapiens in anything like recent time, so whatever unusual feature you did find could by now said to be a normal, if perhaps uncommon, part of the human genome.
Not saying this wouldn’t be worthwhile to do, if it could be done - I’d be quite interested to see it. But somehow I don’t think this project is high on the list of the NSF, and otherkin with money to burn on funding a study like this have been rather thin on the ground so far…
Since someone seems to want this discussed, let’s have it out in the open since I remember how much you hate “dark gossip”, aka gossip by anyone other than yourself.
===Yep, one of the reasons the magical types stopped talking in the “community” is because the…
I have been able to have more discussions about past life memories, magic, the Astral, serious woo-woo shit and still remain rational and maintain a healthy amount if skepticism.
===(glances) Is it logical to apply physical world logic to dreams and figments? If folks share dreams and snippets of memory, then working within those realms and not assuming them to be absolute truth in the here and now is rational. One can explore these things without placing unreasonable constraints on otherworld logic.
===When it comes down to it, I think that the discussions were killed by folks like Jarin, insisting that folks had to answer their own demands as to how others dreams and recollections of things that were not from here, nor were claimed to be how things had to work here. It is like walking into someone elses’ tale and insisting that it had to be told THE RIGHT WAY (tm)
===As I said, we all got tired of this. We focused on things that would allow for us to discuss magic, and not have his sort invade. We have focused on the physical, and it vexes them. We discuss the magic and memories without them to bring in their rules-lawyer attitude…and it vexes them.
===Well, not living life for his sort….we live it for us. (grins) The community he wants moved on without him, and he is still trying to set up his similacrum with his rules. (grins)
As someone who has quite the selection of what some may term “memory” (though I tend to think of it more in terms of lucid or waking dreaming, real in its own space but quite probably not objectively true or tangible, though who knows— maybe it is, somewhere) I have to say that the thought of policing such things so they align fully into the laws of nature seems a little counter-intuitive. But that’s just from my perspective as someone who has had “memories” for quite some time but decided there was no conceivable way to prove one way or the other that they were objectively true, and so I chose to shift my perception on them and let them live in their own space. I suppose I could understand someone who chooses a more literal interpretation wanting to take a more rational approach for themselves.
Reblogging the above mainly as something a bit calmer and not snide in all this. I’m sad to see this old feud come up yet again here at such length. (There are things I agree and disagree with on both Rialian’s and Jarin’s parts.)
*goes back to hiding under the desk and wishing that whatever broke so badly years ago hadn’t broken like that*
(I still wonder if there’s some particular odd destructive energy that got seeded somehow. It might be homegrown, and not from outside, but still, some specific element rather than general “ahhh, it was bound to happen”…)
I really do miss the days of active LiveJournaling. It was a much more intimate-feeling platform, with more options for privacy and friend-to-friend discussions. It was like an online gathering place in lieu of physical meetings.
I got more of that feeling from the old mailing lists, but I get where you’re coming from.
FWIW, I mod otherkin on LiveJournal along with salfarro and otherkin-haven on Dreamwidth, although the former is very general and not what I’d call an intimate place. I’m not sure what could be done to change that, since LJ (and DW) suffer these days from “not most people’s platform of choice”-itis. (otherkin on Dreamwidth is in someone else’s hands.)
Say, I am genuinely curious; Could you explain to us how the otherkin community used to be, back in the day? What sort of "big changes" have come and gone, if any?
My personal knowledge of the community goes back to 1999, though I have done research into the community’s history. There are a few others around who can give you a personal account of the community before that — I’d recommend sylvereapleanan as one of the better people to ask about it.
In my opinion, there are really two big changes that have taken place. The first is that when I found the community the majority of the people in it subscribed to a spiritual model of being otherkin. There had been some prior to this who believed that they were genetically otherkin, rather than spiritually, but they were in the distinct minority and even they generally believed in a strong spiritual aspect as well. Somewhere roughly around 2005 a change took place in the community and we began to see the rise of what are now termed “psychological otherkin” who explain the experience as literally being all in their heads. I believe this trend was influenced by a similar trend in the therian community which took place earlier and which largely supplanted the original model of “spiritual therianthropy”. This was of course coupled with a rise in skepticism towards magic, energywork, etc. Where once it was common to see people asking for someone to scan them or perform an energetic healing or sharing “energy signatures” on mailing lists and forums, now such requests are more often met with total confusion.
Likewise, when I found the community it was common to believe one had past-lives as a nonhuman. They were commonly discussed, compared and contrasted, and dissected down to the smallest detail. Entire mailing lists, forums, and LJ communities were created for this express purpose. But sometime roughly between 2003 and 2005, it began to be taboo to talk about these things publicly. Doing so was seen as “living in the past”. Instead, discussion turned to aspects of modern life that people believed expressed their otherkin nature — though how, exactly, they seemed unable to say. Mead-making, beekeeping, yogurt-making, pickling, permaculture, slow cooking — these things replaced earlier discussions of energywork, myth, magic and memories. Instead of relating to your otherkin nature as having been a specific being of a specific race at a specific time and place, it became common to relate to it more totemically. It wasn’t that you were a specific elf reincarnated, it was that you were “embodying the elven current”. Which seemed to mean whatever hobby the person was into at the time, with no adaptations or mutations from how it was practiced by any non-otherkin engaged in the same hobby.
Together, those two changes have dramatically reshaped what it means to be otherkin and the face of our community. And not for the better, IMO.
I’d written a long, articulate reply to this post that got eaten by Tumblr.apk when I tried to post it (grouse, grouse, there’s never a good excuse for an app to silently drop content).
In the interests of not losing it again, summary in question:
Do you believe that the chilling effect of social media (and most directly, the presumption of public information that disrespects private spaces) may have something to do with this?
I know many of us spiritually-minded otherkin aren’t necessarily gone, we’re just really uncomfortable with the way our content is being presented. This gives rise to sort of an edited identity that leaves the more interesting aspects out, and I’d think we’re not the only community affected in that way.
I do think that’s part of it. The whole “feel” of such platforms is just “off” in some way (at least, IMO). It’s like it’s not good ground for the “seeds” of the sort of conversations we’re all complaining (to varying degrees) about missing.
I originally posted this here over a year ago. Thought it might be interesting to bring it round again since there has been a little talk of Ye Aulden Days lately.
From the “Elven Nation Manifesto”, by Morningstar. This was was posted around Usenet and on now-defunct elven mailing lists in 1995. Errors sic.
I raise this rallying cry for all fellow non-humans around the world. It is time those of elven, dwarven, and others stopped passively letting out heritage slip away in to the mists of time. It is now, the end of helplessness. We must not allow our gifts to atrophy further. We shall bring back true magic; break down the dam that allows only a small trickle of the magical into dominant, mundane reality. It is the duty of all those who have achieve enlightenment to help those not as far along the path. It is the imperative of all those who achieved a personal magical reality to implant those ideas into consensual reality. We will use force if necessary, through teaching otherwise.
The Veil to the Otherworld has thickened over the years. It is our duty as beings who are still able to perceive and manipulate the veil, due to our non-human heritage, to rend it to the point where magic is as free flowing as the oxygen we breathe and as commonplace as technology. This will allow our oldest brethren, The True Fae, and other magical creatures to once again live among us in acceptance. We must help those who are caught on this side of the Veil suffering torment from the lack of magical energies. We must provide a basic magickal litteracy for the world.
I find the line “We will use force if necessary, through teaching otherwise” perplexing syntactically and thus conceptually. Through teaching otherwise than what? What is he referring back to? Did he mean “though”, i.e., disguising the use of force? And what sort of force does he mean? I don’t think he means some kind of mystical war - although perhaps some kind of an idea of “forcing” ideas about magic upon consensual reality (which I guess is a thought war, if not a physical one), ideological and magical force? Is this some kind of elven koan, “we shall use force through not using force”?
Is awakening even a thing people talk about any more? When I was active in the community years ago awakening was a very important concept (the process for you, sharing stories, misteps etc) but I haven’t seen it around much lately.
It does seem to sort of have been de-emphsized. Not entirely absent, and of course still current terminology, but not commonly discussed at some length like it used to be, yeah.